Saturday, June 2, 2012

Fiona Payne : Re: CCTV in Paraiso restaurant

From Fiona Paynes Rogatory Interview 10th April 2008

'And the next question is, where were you exactly between six pm to seven pm' I know you have'.

'Six to seven. So, from six to ten past six, I would have been at the, erm, the Paradiso Restaurant, or whatever it's called, on the beach'.


'Erm, you know, and then we walked back up, so I'd say that would take ten or fifteen minutes. Then we went straight to the tennis courts area, the play area with the children, erm, and we would have stayed there, you know, for fifteen, twenty minutes, before going up to the apartment. Erm, and we went straight from the play area to the apartments'.

'Yeah. And so, what you are saying is, you were at the Paradiso until ten past six''

'Then it took you fifteen minutes to walk up''

'So you would be up to the tennis courts''

'We were certainly there by half past, I would say'.
'By half past''

'Half six, yeah'.
'Watched the tennis for about fifteen minutes, that takes to you to quarter to''
'Yeah, I'd say, yeah, between fifteen, twenty, twenty-five minutes, that sort of time, but I certainly would have left before seven to go back and start bathing the kids'.

At 6.36pm she was 'still in the Paradiso getting ready to leave....Add 5 mins to actually leave, add the 15 min walk back, then add 15/20/25 min at the tennis courts. This would make it 7.15pm at the very earliest she would be back in the apartment. At 6.30pm she was no where near the tennis courts
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Monday, May 7, 2012

Fiona Payne : 'Advised' Or Ordered Not To Talk To The Media By the McCanns !

Fiona let the cat out of the bag somewhat , in her rogatory statement she said someone was missing each evening from the table 'due to sickness'. This of course was discovered by Paulo Rebelo after interviewing OC staff. There was no neglect, no neglect , no abduction !

Erm, you know, there was, I’m trying to think if anyone was ill on the Sunday night actually, because we had a bit of illness in the group as well and there were nights, I think, every night there was somebody who was sick actually.

And I think Matt might have been ill on, it was either Sunday or the Monday, erm, and, you know, one of those nights he wasn’t there for dinner.

And then Rachael, erm, wasn’t there, I think that was the Wednesday night, she was ill, Tuesday or Wednesday. So there were night when, yeah, there was only eight of us at the table .

I believe we have our babysitters.

Thursday, February 16, 2012

Fiona Payne - Rogatory Statement

Fiona Payne - Statement May 16th 2007 - Fiona Payne Tried To Help Frame Robert Murat

Witness Statement

Fiona Elaine Payne

Date: 2007.05.16

Time: 12H00

- That she confirms in the integrity of her previous declarations made in this investigation.

- Questioned, states that she became aware following various news bulletins - namely on SKY NEWS - that ROBERT MURAT was the main suspect in the abduction of MADELEINE MCCANN.

- That upon seeing the individual on television, she recognised him immediately as someone from the night of the disappearance of MADELEINE who had made his presence noted.

- That she never saw this individual before, and saw him for the first time, as stated, on the night of May 3rd, around 22H39, outside, and next to the door of the McCANN apartment in the company of GNR elements, who had arrived.

- That at this point, one and a half hours had passed since KATE McCANN had noted that her daughter had disappeared.

- Questioned, states that she does not remember the characteristics (type, colour, etc) of the clothes that ROBERT MURAT wore that night.

- That she found the presence of this individual at the site very strange, and never got to know what his role was (contrary to other people who were there, and who belonged to the police or the resort).

- That at a certain time, he said that he was there to help the police but his behaviour was not compatible with this role, in that he looked to be leading the process, stating that he was offering his help in all that was necessary.

- That she found his behaviour so excessively strange that she stayed as far away from him as she could.

- That she does not remember if he entered the McCANN's apartment on this night.

 She does not know if he spoke to GERRY, but is certain that he did not speak to KATE, in that after the disappearance of MADELEINE, the deponent stayed with [KATE] for most of the time in her [KATE's] apartment.

- That during this night, she saw him walking to and fro, the majority of the time accompanied by the police, and always with an air of authority, offering suggestions and trying to lead the situation.

- That she did not speak to him, and only observed his behaviour.

- She only came across him at around 23H30, next to the McCANN apartment, when he went there to offer his help in any way possible. She does not remember if anyone was with him at this time.

- That in the following days she saw him various times with numerous reporters who were in the locale.

- That she did not see him in any other place or situation.

- States that since the night of the disappearance, she found his behaviour strange, as he wanted to know everything what was happening and gave the idea that he knew everything.

He tried insistently to lead the process, especially the actions of the police.

- At one point, he even seemed to try and lead the police movements with his presence and wanted to translate everything.

- That she had never seen him before this night.

- And nothing more was said.

Fiona Payne - Statement May 4th 2007

Volume I, pages 69 - 72

Fiona Payne

Going back to Fiona's interview, it was recorded on May 4th 2007 at 7.20pm by an inspector from the 4th DIC brigade.


Before publishing Fiona Payne's statements, it seemed interesting to us to digress a little.
Following lots of questions received by e-mail, we are going to try to reply to some of them.
First of all, you should bear in mind that I wasn't there during the interviews and that there is nothing in the written report that clarifies how certain questions were formulated or what those questions were.

Except occasionally where it says: "Following our question the interviewee says....." However, typical interviews like these - let's not forget that they are interviews in the context of the disappearance of a child - are often done within the same framework.
The inspectors have to pose various, "open," questions to the interviewee.
These questions were probably the following (This is speculation, but based on extensive experience, it is highly likely that this speculation is accurate):

How long have you been in Portugal and how did you get here?

For how long have you known the child's parents?
How has the holiday been going?

How did the day of May 3rd develop?

How did the evening of May 3rd develop?

What was the attitude of the parents towards their children and particularly with the missing girl?

Did you notice anything unusual?

What is Madeleine like? (Personality traits)

Was she ill?
Was she taking any medication?

It is logical to imagine that this was the framework on which the PJ based these interviews.
The open question technique is the only valid one in an interview.
An example being worth more than a thousand words, here is an example of a closed question:
 "Was the suspect's car green?" That is a closed question, not allowed during an interview because it influences the witness in their response.
By contrast, the following open question: "What colour was the suspect's car?" is totally admissible because the witness is not influenced by it.
Going back to Fiona's interview, it was recorded on May 4th 2007 at 7.20pm by an inspector from the 4th DIC brigade.

On the subject in hand we note that:

The interviewee was heard as a witness belonging to the group who came to Portugal with the young child Madeleine.
She (editor's note: Fiona) is married to David who is also on the trip.
She has known the child's parents for around seven years.
She met Kate while they were working together and she was already a friend when she met her future husband, David.
The McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine nearly four years.
The interviewee has two children, who are respectively 1 and 2 years old.
The idea to come to Portugal came from her husband, David, who had already been to Portugal eleven years before.

They arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12 noon, coming from Leicestershire via Faro and finally to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club, they traveled in an airport mini-bus.
After checking in, they were placed in apartment G5H with her whole family (Husband, mother and two children).

The routines.

Concerning what they usually do, the interviewee says that in the morning, after breakfast, which they have as a family in the bar at a club at around 8.15/8.30, they place their children in one of the complex's crèches, in different sections.
 In the afternoon, their children take a nap, while she and her husband stay in the apartment.
At around 3.30/4pm, the nap over, they all go to the swimming pool or to the tennis courts where the interviewee stays with her children and her husband until 6/7pm.
Then, they go back to the apartment, bathe the children, put them to bed and go to join the rest of the group for the adults' dinner, at the "Tapas," restaurant situated near the club.


During dinner, the interviewee and her husband never went to their apartment to check that the children were ok because they would have heard the slightest noise, or any crying in the bedroom thanks to a, "Baby Monitoring," type intercom.
Yesterday, the usual routine was slightly changed.
Yesterday, she went to the beach with her children, her husband and her mother, Diane.
They arrived there at around 3.45pm and came back around 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where they stayed until 7pm.
Then the interviewee went to her apartment with her children and her mother.
In the apartment, her mother, helped by her husband, gave the children a bath while the interviewee went jogging on the beach until 8pm.
 Then she returned to the apartment and did a few household chores and went out at around 8.45pm, accompanied by her mother and her husband to go to the "Tapas," restaurant to join the rest of the group.
TheMcCann couple were amongst the members of the group at dinner.

The interviewee states that Kate and Gerry, as well as other couples, went to the club a few times, at regular intervals, to make sure the children were ok.
During one of these checks, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even, and she announced that Madeleine had disappeared.

Search groups were immediately organised, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding there, then outside, without success, even with the help of employees.
Then given Kate's state of anxiety, the interviewee decided to stay with her to lend her support.

The interviewee has never been in Madeleine's family's apartment.

Knowing Madeleine well, the interviewee describes her as very intelligent, and totally incapable of going with a stranger without screaming or protesting strongly unless she was very tired or asleep.

Concerning what Jane said, the latter only said she saw a person with a child in his arms but she didn't know if it was Madeleine.

During the holiday, the interviewee noticed nothing unusual. She has nothing else to add.

After reading, together with the interpreter, who explains the contents to her, she goes on and signs the deed.